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Five Disputations of Church-Government and Worship

Richard Baxter 1659
Baxter's systematic disputations on ecclesiastical government and worship, addressing controversies over church polity and liturgical practice among Protestants.

EEBO-TCP A69533 (TEI), original spelling, printed page numbers. EEBO 11702082; STC/Wing Wing B1267; ESTC R13446

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The opening of the work as printed, from p. 1, in the spelling of this edition.

p. 1Whether it be Necessary or Profitable to the right order or the Peace of the Churches of England that we restore the extruded Episcopacy?

IN this Question here are these three things supposed. 1. That there are yet particular Churches of Christ in England: and therefore those that conclude that there hath been no Church among us since the Diocesan Bishops were laid by, are none o◊ them that we are now disputing with: and indeed we think so gross a conceit unworthy of a Confutation.

2. It is supposed that both the right Order and the Peace of these Churches are matters highly to be valued. 3. And also that its our duty for the obtaining of it, to do that which is necessary or profitable thereto. But the doubt is▪ Whether the Episcopacy in question be necessary or profitable thereto?

For the decision whereof I shall briefly tell you my Judgement, in these propositions, whereof the two first are but preparatory.

Proposition 1. A Peace with the Divines of the Episcopal judgement, p. 2is much to be desired and earnestly to be endeavoured.

Prop. 2. A certain Episcopacy may be yielded to, for the Peace (if not for the right order) of the Church.

Prop. 3. The Diocesan Episcopacy which was lately in England, and is now laid by, may not lawfully be re-assumed or re-admitted, as a means for the right Order or Peace of the Church.

1. For the first of these, I think it easie to prove that we ought to seek an Agreement in the Episcopal controversie, with those that differ from us in that point.

For, 1. They are brethren, of the same faith with us, whom we are bound to love and honour, and therefore to use all just means for peace with them. If we must as much as in us lyeth, if possible, live peaceably with all men, Rom. 12.18. much more with Brethren of the same family and profession.

2. They are very many; and the far greatest (though not the purest) part of the Church is of their mind: All the Greek Church, and the Ethiopian Church, and the Jacobites, Armenians, and all other parties without the verge of the Reformation from Popery here in the West, that ever I read or heard of, are all of that way, besides all the Romane Church: And, though I know that much ignorance, and imperfection, if not superstition and fouler errors may be justly charged on the Greek, Ethiopian, &c. Churches, as well as on Rome (though not Popery it self) yet I think there is scarce a good Christian that is not unwilling to cast off so great a part of the Church of Christ, as these are Indeed, he that dares so far despise all the Churches of Christ on earth except these few that are happily reformed, as to think that it is no duty of ours▪ to seek unity and peace with them, by all just means, I think is no meet person for us to dispute with. It is the hainous sin of Rome, to despise and unchurch Greeks, Ethiopians, and all save themselves, which I hope Protestants will never imitate, who have justly condemned them so deeply for it. Let the Donatists shut up the Church of Christ in Afr◊ca, and call the rest Cecilians; and let the Papists reduce it to the subscribers to their Trent confession, or to them only that believe in the Popes universal Headship and Government, and call all others Hereticks: yet will all true Catholicks imitate Augustine and the Councils that were called against the Donatists, who still described the Catholike Church to be that which p. 3was dispersed over the world, having begun at Ierusalem: and though to Gods praise we dare rejoycingly affirm, that the most illustrious and the soundest part of it is in Europe, among the Reformed, yet dare we not say that it is all or the greatest part here; Nay we confess that we are but a small part of Christs Church. And therefore common sobriety may tell us, that the Peace of so great a part of Christs Church as is in all the rest of the world, is highly to be valued, and sought with all our might, in righteousness.

p. 3Moreover, even among the reformed Churches there are many for some Episcopacy or Superintendency: As the Church of England and Ireland was lately for Diocesan Episcopacy: so the Churches in Denmark, Sweden, Saxionie, and other parts of Germany, Transilvania, &c. are for a lower sort of Episcopacy, called Superintendency among them.

3. And the quality of many of the Divines of that way, is such as bespeaks our greatest reverence to them, and should move us to thirst after Unity and Reconciliation with them. Many of them are men of eminent Learning and Godliness, and sound in the faith.

I know that it is commonly objected, that they are generally ungodly men that are that way; and though some of them are Learned men, yet they are all, or almost all, of careless and carnal lives, or meerly formal and superstitious, and therefore their Communion is not much to be desired.

To which I answer. 1. The plain undenyable truth is that it was so here with the most of them in the Bishops dayes, where ever I was acquainted: There were more Ministers in many places that would have scorned, threatned or troubled a man for a godly diligent life, then that would lead him that way by a good example. We must speak that truth that cannot be hid, whoever be displeased. To this day, too many of that way are careless and scandalous. But then Consider withall, 2. That it is but too common for the common sort even of Ministers as well as people, to be careless and bad, what ever opinions they are of: Especially if the times do discountenance practical Religiousness, the greater part are likely to follow the times, being that way also so strongly enclined by nature. 3. Consider also that we have had, and have men of that Judgement that have been excellent p. 4Instruments of the Churches good, and so eminent for Gods graces and gifts, that their names will be pretious whilest Christ hath in England a Reformed Church: were there in all England but one such man dissenting from us, as Hooper, Farrar, Latimer, Cranmer, Ridley, Iewel, Abbot, Davenant, Vsher, Hall, &c. what sober Godly man would not be exceeding solicitous for a reconciliation? I am sure (besides the godliness of their lives, and painful preaching) One Iewel, One Vsher, One Davenant, hath done so much against the Roman Usurpers, as they will never well claw it off them to the last.

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Contents

  1. Whether it be Necessary or Profitable to the right order or the Peace of the Churches of…p. 1
  2. Consequents of that which is already Proved.p. 103
  3. The Preface.
  4. CHAP. II. Of the Nature and Ends of Ordination.p. 141
  5. CHAP. III. Ordination is not of Necessity to the being of the Ministry.p. 150
  6. CHAP. IV. An uninterrupted Succession of Regular Ordination, is not Necessary.p. 168
  7. CHAP. V. Ordination by such as the English Prelates, not Necessary to the Being of the…p. 178
  8. CHAP. VI. Ordination at this time, by English Prelates especially, is unnecessary.p. 190
  9. CHAP. VII. The Ordination used now in England and in other Protestant Churches, is Valid…p. 198
  10. CHAP. VIII. The greatness of their sin that are now labouring to perswade the People of…p. 240
  11. CHAP. IX. The sinfulness of despising or neglecting Ordination.p. 252
  12. CHAP. I. Of General unfixed Bishops or Ministers.p. 275
  13. CHAP. II. Of fixed Pastors that also participate in the work of the unfixed.p. 286
  14. CHAP. III. It is Lawfull for the several Associations of Pastors to choose one man to be…p. 297
  15. CHAP. IV. It is Lawful for the Presbyters of a particular Church, to have a fixed…p. 307
  16. CHAP. V. Objections against the Presidency forementioned, answered.p. 316
  17. CHAP. VI. The sum of the foregoing Propositions, and the Consistency of them with the…p. 334
  18. CHAP. VII. Some instances to prove that moderate men will agree upon the foregoing terms.p. 339
  19. The Episcopacy of the Protestant Churches in Poland.p. 353
  20. Qu. Whether a stinted Liturgy, or form of Worship, be a desirable means for the Peace of…p. 357
  21. CHAP. I. Distinctions and Propositions in order to the Decision.p. 395
  22. CHAP. II. Such Ceremonies as God hath forbidden, or given man no Power to institute, are…p. 399
  23. CHAP. III. Prop. 2. In such unlawfull impositions (as aforementioned) it is an…p. 425
  24. CHAP. IV. Prop. 3. & 4. If things unlawfull are commanded as indifferent, or things…p. 427
  25. CHAP. V. Prop. 5. A lawfull and convenient thing is sinfully commanded, when it is…p. 429
  26. CHAP. VI. Prop. 6. It is not lawfull to make any thing the subjects duty by a command…p. 433
  27. CHAP. VII. Prop. 7. Some things may be lawfully and profitably commanded at one Time and…p. 439
  28. CHAP. VIII. Prop. 8. Those orders may be profitable for the Peace of the Churches in one…p. 445
  29. CHAP. IX. Prop. 9. There is no meer Humane Vniversal Soveraign, Civil or Ecclesiastical…p. 448
  30. CHAP. X. Prop. 10. If it be not our Lawfull Governours that command us, but usurpers, we…p. 452
  31. CHAP. XI. Prop. 11. The Commands of Lawfull Governors about Lawfull Ceremonies, must be…p. 458
  32. CHAP. XII. Prop. 12. It may be very sinfull to command some ceremonies, when yet it may…p. 460
  33. CHAP. XIII. Prop. 13. The Constant use of things indifferent should not be (ordinarily)…p. 464
  34. CHAP. XIV. Reasons against the Imposing of our late Controverted Mysticall Ceremonies, as…p. 467
  35. CHAP. XV. Reasons for Obedience in Lawfull things.p. 483

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